Lack of "scamming" option for report - Guild Wars Forums

N1ghtstalker · Jul 05, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

yo,

so here's my story on what just happened
i was running CoF with some people, very nice folks we had fun and the run went without any problems
however, at the end two of the people were missing and as the rest thought i was getting scammed by those two people, nonetheless i got the end chest and went to the entrance of murakai's chamber to report them if they ran past me without paying
a teammate of mine, a very nice person was there too so while she stood at the chamber entrance i went for the two missing persons

and there they were, hiding in a corner for me
after i found them they immediatly started running for the chest so i had no choice but the report them fast before they left the game
unfortunatly because of not many options i reported both of them for botting and now i fear my account can be suspended for the report
opinions please

dilan155 · Jul 05, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

they really need to remove the whole has to be online and/or same dist thing. The reason they didnt add a scamming report option is b/c they dont really ban actively scammers. just one or two here and there to show that they are doing their job. Im pretty confident you wont get banned, if you do explain the situation to them,im sure they will be understanding.

N1ghtstalker · Jul 05, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilan155

they really need to remove the whole has to be online and/or same dist thing. The reason they didnt add a scamming report option is b/c they dont really ban actively scammers. just one or two here and there to show that they are doing their job. Im pretty confident you wont get banned, if you do explain the situation to them,im sure they will be understanding.

i just don't want them to get away without a punishment
if they don't do anything against scammers it'll get out of control

Tatile · Jul 05, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

While it's debatable whether run-scamming is a 'scam' or not (I say it is, under the 'waste of my time' category), I have to agree that Anet really stuffed up on the lack of of a scamming report feature.

I doubt though that you'll get a band for those reports though. I think 'abuse' counts as repeated false reports in a certain time frame and over a certain time frame. Support seems quite fickle over this though.

willypiggy · Jul 05, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Scamming is generally your own fault. "oh noes they put 100g instead of 100plat and im an idiot for accepting" not Anets fault. "oh noes I ran people I dont know and trusted them even though I didnt know then for more than 30minutes" you own fault for trusting them. If you hate being scammed I would advise you stay away from MMOs, (Especially EVE Online) it happens to everyone at some point.

Franco Power · Jul 05, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I think this sort of thing would fall in the same category as "not paying for runs" or runners scamming the players the are suppose to run, and Anet has already said that they don't take any action against this.

Gift3d · Jul 05, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Running isn't supported by anet. Therefore people can scam you all they want and there's nothing you can do about it. It's at your own risk.

Tatile · Jul 05, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Running isn't supported by anet.

Running itself may not be supported, but I'm more concerned about the lack of 'Scamming' and 'EULA Violation' options in the quick-report option. I really don't want to have to track down (I currently don't know where it is) the long report route just to tell on some idiot who's trying to buy Runescape accounts.

crazybanshee · Jul 05, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Make them pay before you kill the boss - or have them die (vamp wep or whatever). I see you have a hero with you, so if you make them die and they want to scam you, just flag your hero far away so they won't res. Then you can leave, and they'll sit there and rot instead of ressing.

Crom The Pale · Jul 05, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Scamming, as far as paying for a run or underpaying for items ect, is delt with on the "buyer/seller beware" scale.

In other words if you get scammed its your own fault and Anet will do nothing about it.

Think of it this way, you are not meant to be able to run any Mission, so by doing so you are cheating, in a sense. There is no rule that states, If I cheat for another player he must pay X fee for my servises.......so you can't complain if you get scammed in a run.

Gift3d · Jul 05, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatile

Running itself may not be supported, but I'm more concerned about the lack of 'Scamming' and 'EULA Violation' options in the quick-report option. I really don't want to have to track down (I currently don't know where it is) the long report route just to tell on some idiot who's trying to buy Runescape accounts.

Oh. You can leave those people to the overly concerned carebears who take the time to submit support tickets at plaync.com with massive screenshot proof and fully detailed explanations.

Messy · Jul 05, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

I would just email the screenie to support. Explain what happened and hope for the best.

I can't imagine ANET doing anything against your account.

I personally think a Scam option is a great idea, it would help them pinpoint exactly where and where it happened. If they have time to look into bots and spammers and verbally abusive players.... they can surely look into scammers.

fusa · Jul 05, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

The reason they haven't added an option for scammers is that they need more detail than whats included in the /report. Scammers who refuse to pay for runs at leats get account marks which lead up to bans, and eventual termination of accounts. Read here for an official word: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...porting_people And don't worry about getting banned for misusing /report, I've reported several hundreds of people/bots since it was added, and never had anything happen to me.

viper11025 · Jul 05, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Friend found a nice way to prevent that.
Take a 4th of the cost before going for the chest if no one pays up, go afk.
They almost always crack or give up.

buckscrib · Jul 06, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Scammers suck, but it happens.

Kumu Honua · Jul 06, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Anet shouldn't do anything about it.

How does Anet determine they are "scamming". You could have told them you would run them through CoF 4 times to pay for a mini you bought from them and YOU are the scammer...

There simply is really no way for them to tell.

The only real answer is to not do runs, or accept it as an unfortunate part of business like Wal-mart does with shoplifters.

Savio · Jul 06, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

The "what should Arenanet do with scammers" has been covered time and again in other threads. As this is the Q&A forum and not the discussion forum, closed.

Jul 05, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45	#1
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	Lack of "scamming" option for report yo, so here's my story on what just happened i was running CoF with some people, very nice folks we had fun and the run went without any problems however, at the end two of the people were missing and as the rest thought i was getting scammed by those two people, nonetheless i got the end chest and went to the entrance of murakai's chamber to report them if they ran past me without paying a teammate of mine, a very nice person was there too so while she stood at the chamber entrance i went for the two missing persons and there they were, hiding in a corner for me after i found them they immediatly started running for the chest so i had no choice but the report them fast before they left the game unfortunatly because of not many options i reported both of them for botting and now i fear my account can be suspended for the report opinions please

Jul 05, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15	#12
Messy huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila Guild: Guildless Profession: R/	I would just email the screenie to support. Explain what happened and hope for the best. I can't imagine ANET doing anything against your account. I personally think a Scam option is a great idea, it would help them pinpoint exactly where and where it happened. If they have time to look into bots and spammers and verbally abusive players.... they can surely look into scammers. __________________ HABLO ESPA??OL

Jul 05, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#13
fusa Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007	The reason they haven't added an option for scammers is that they need more detail than whats included in the /report. Scammers who refuse to pay for runs at leats get account marks which lead up to bans, and eventual termination of accounts. Read here for an official word: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...porting_people And don't worry about getting banned for misusing /report, I've reported several hundreds of people/bots since it was added, and never had anything happen to me. Last edited by fusa; Jul 05, 2008 at 09:26 PM // 21:26..

Jul 06, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03	#17
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	The "what should Arenanet do with scammers" has been covered time and again in other threads. As this is the Q&A forum and not the discussion forum, closed. __________________ People are stupid.

Jul 05, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#2
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	they really need to remove the whole has to be online and/or same dist thing. The reason they didnt add a scamming report option is b/c they dont really ban actively scammers. just one or two here and there to show that they are doing their job. Im pretty confident you wont get banned, if you do explain the situation to them,im sure they will be understanding.

Jul 05, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53	#4
Tatile Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus Profession: N/Me	While it's debatable whether run-scamming is a 'scam' or not (I say it is, under the 'waste of my time' category), I have to agree that Anet really stuffed up on the lack of of a scamming report feature. I doubt though that you'll get a band for those reports though. I think 'abuse' counts as repeated false reports in a certain time frame and over a certain time frame. Support seems quite fickle over this though.

Jul 05, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#5
willypiggy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006 Profession: D/Mo	Scamming is generally your own fault. "oh noes they put 100g instead of 100plat and im an idiot for accepting" not Anets fault. "oh noes I ran people I dont know and trusted them even though I didnt know then for more than 30minutes" you own fault for trusting them. If you hate being scammed I would advise you stay away from MMOs, (Especially EVE Online) it happens to everyone at some point.

Jul 05, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#6
Franco Power Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Profession: W/	I think this sort of thing would fall in the same category as "not paying for runs" or runners scamming the players the are suppose to run, and Anet has already said that they don't take any action against this.

Jul 05, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#7
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	Running isn't supported by anet. Therefore people can scam you all they want and there's nothing you can do about it. It's at your own risk.

Jul 05, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28	#9
crazybanshee Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Look out! Profession: E/	Make them pay before you kill the boss - or have them die (vamp wep or whatever). I see you have a hero with you, so if you make them die and they want to scam you, just flag your hero far away so they won't res. Then you can leave, and they'll sit there and rot instead of ressing.

Jul 05, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29	#10
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	Scamming, as far as paying for a run or underpaying for items ect, is delt with on the "buyer/seller beware" scale. In other words if you get scammed its your own fault and Anet will do nothing about it. Think of it this way, you are not meant to be able to run any Mission, so by doing so you are cheating, in a sense. There is no rule that states, If I cheat for another player he must pay X fee for my servises.......so you can't complain if you get scammed in a run.

Jul 05, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#14
viper11025 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 02/18/05 (Pm me with the place, its a riddle) Profession: A/	Friend found a nice way to prevent that. Take a 4th of the cost before going for the chest if no one pays up, go afk. They almost always crack or give up.

Jul 06, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48	#15
buckscrib Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: COL	Scammers suck, but it happens.

Jul 06, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06	#16
Kumu Honua Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008	Anet shouldn't do anything about it. How does Anet determine they are "scamming". You could have told them you would run them through CoF 4 times to pay for a mini you bought from them and YOU are the scammer... There simply is really no way for them to tell. The only real answer is to not do runs, or accept it as an unfortunate part of business like Wal-mart does with shoplifters.